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Episode 30 · 3 months ago

Mouth-Off Episode 22: Jessica Wilde, Sober, wasted, wasted, Sober

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Today on Mouth-Off I have the pleasure of interviewing JESSICA WILDE. Jessica is a Brixton based singer/songwriter who fuses rap/spoken word into her unique, raw, and honest songs. Jessica is signed with Sony ATV and she has collaborated with renowned artists such as RUDIMENTAL, EMELI SANDE, TOUGH LOVE, KIZZO and has also written for renowned K Pop Label SM Entertainment.

Jessica’s new album SOBER, WASTED, WASTED, SOBER charts her journey from addiction andtoxic relationships to self-empowerment and sobriety. She bares all with brutally honest lyrics, sharp-witted lyricism, and powerful soulful vocals. On today's episode we talk about a wide range of topics such as addiction, sexuality, body image, as well as discussing what it's like for Jessica, maintaining her autonomy while navagating a male-dominated industry.

NB - the music tracks included in this podcast are used for the purpose of critque and analysis.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

Intro Music - music by Clary Saddler

LA Boy

Out of my Ooo

Wasted

Walk on Fire

Cruel

Heads in the Roses

Drugs Don’t Work

F*ck U I’m Sober Now

Two Thousand and Five

Ain’t Fucking with you

Cruel Part 2 (feat. Laville)

Body

Down to Earth

Play God

Daylight

All songs featured in today’s episode were written and performed by Jessica Wilde.

Outro Music - music by Clary Saddler

Social Media and Spotify Links:

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https://twitter.com/iamjessicawilde

https://www.instagram.com/iamjessicawilde/

https://www.facebook.com/iamjessicawilde

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqy2PsCo0RmGsG-qviT7SYQ

Welcome to mouth off, a podcast brought to you by forget me not productions. Mouth off covers a wide range of topics, from mental health issues and substance abuse to sexuality, race and religion. My Name's clarice Sadler. On today's episode I'll be talking to Brixton based singer Songwriter Jessica Wild. Jessica fuses rap and spoken word into her unique, raw and honest songs. She signed with Sony a TV and is collaborated with the likes of Rudimental Kiss, Oh Emily Sanday and tough love. She's also written for renowned kpop label SM entertainment. Jessica has been described as a torch bearer for a fresh, true bread style of rap, soul and R and B with some brutally honest lyrics, melding her sharpwitted lyricism through spoken word and rap alongside her more familiar Hasky and powerful singing vocals. Jessica's debut album, sober, wasted, wasted sober is out now. It's opened the gateway into her past by returning full circle to her Brixton roots through the mad parties, addiction, toxic relationship, self loathing, embracing her bisexuality, self, love, getting sober. Within this album, she covers it all well, the exposing and utilizing her authentic self expression. Please note the album was actually dropped on the eleven of March, two thousand and twenty two, rather than in February, as stated within this interview. Back to Hella, then, when a night's the cafe cirro inspired words to stream through my Byro, you walked into my gig with a smile I couldn't miss. We loocked eyes and that was it. Told me you were from Lah only here from the two weeks day. We met up the next day, the gigs and pies too. In the moment that we hardly notice. The days go by. Soon you bought your plane and fly back to wonder if, if you come back, let me up back. How's it been being back in the states? I wanted to tell you I've been going to AA. So thanks for the inspire you post over. I've been three month. Thanks you for coming on the PODCAST. We got there in the end with dates. Yeah, brilliant. So, yeah, I guess I usually start off these interviews just with quite a broad question and you can either choose to answer it sort of a relation to you personally or you as an artist, or both, but just a description, in a nutshell, okay, of who I am. Yeah, Oh Gosh, I am a soulful, wild woman, born and bread and south London. And Yeah, is that enough? Yeah, yeah, Great. And how are you describe your musical style? For any listeners we have that might not be familiar with you, my musical style is a combination of like soul, some jazz, because my mom's a jazz singer, hip hop, I do RAPP and spoken word and I sing. Yeah, and then it has other elements sprinkled inner, but they're probably the main ones. Probably some rb as all you probably was not holding nothing your bostoms. You got a of a pretor M and get comment and calm the start Rus. Okay, so just been taking you out...

...on spots by actually, you're gonna live in little crash course in you. Yeah, and yeah, just reading up on your fourthcoming album, which will be your debut. Is that right? Yes, save you album. And is that you out in? It's actually coming out now in February. Oh, fantastic, excellent. It was meant to be December, but yeah, we had to yeah, a few things along the way when you're look really some music over a whole year along. Yeah, it's coming out actually on my two years sober anniversary now. So it fixed with the theme. Excellent. Yeah, I was just gonna say. So it kind of like, you know, it tracks your journey to your sobriety and you know, kind of bearing bearing your soul really in relation to like you're in a demon's and and your journey so far. So I mean it's not really a concept album, it's kind of a just a personal, almost tell all album. But can you tell me how it came about? Like did you kind of go, I've been throw this stuff and, you know what, I'm going to sort it out through the music, or did you just write all this kind of content that had that theme and then they went wow, this would work as a piece, as an album together? Yeah, I had this what I've been writing quite a lot of like spoken words, I guess, my ste poetry, and I had these one this one set of lyrics that I took when I went to do some sessions at the Sony students in Amsterdam and I was working with this new writer and he's a musician and yeah, just remembered. I showed him one of the lyrics I had and it was about my ex and when I was with my ex that was the kind of times when it was, you know, things got pretty wild and ms taking drugs and like just going into a pretty dark place. And Yeah, he just loved the story. Like when I showed in the lyrics, I was thinking to make it into a song, but he was like when i read them to is just like, nope, you just gotta say it like how you just readers. It was just all in my little scrap book from red like written it all down. Yeah, and yet I kind of just set us this whole journey really and then I kept kept writing more because I used to wrap and do spoken words when I was a teenager but kind of came back around for this projects. That feels quite all thing tic in that way. I said too much, too many double Rums, got pulled in my cup. I don't even remember half the night, just that I should have left sooner, before you had to carry me into that Uber, before I got real and appropriate, before I forgot where we were who we were with, and before I went and spoke some shit in front of your mom and your FIANC if she didn't know about our part. She doesn't now. I'd say sorry, Bro, when I'm drunk I get kind of frisky. Should have laid off mixing that whiskey or at least stayed at the level of tipsy. and Noah went too far pouring out my heart. I would take it back. But yeah, so I mean this podcast we have a lot of musicians on a possibly because that's my background as well. I'm, you know, I mean to songwriting, writ poetry. So I've had a couple of poets on, I've had few writers are but yeah, tends to be musicians. But I suppose like the through thread with the guests we have on is where I mean. We're podcast for marginalized groups. I Like I use that term broadly. You know, we've had men on, we've had white men on. It's not like sort of looking at specific marginalized groups, but just, I guess anyone that feels margin realized that had a like a folk singer on talking about his struggles. He's Californian singer Songwriter, Matt Coster, and just trying to infiltrate the mainstream in the states, which obviously is a like a massive market to crack. So yeah, we were kind of talking in it like being a on the musical margins. But I guess my first question to you then, or second question, would be do you consider yourself marginalized in any way it could be like as a musician because of your personal struggles as a woman? I don't know, or maybe you just now. You know now I'm not marginalized, that's not me. When you say marginalized, what you mean like sort of feeling like can outside of yeah, outside on the margins, kind of unheard for whatever reason. We have a lot of you know, like I've had a disability activists on talking about you know, one one guy had on q and Fitzgerald is a disabled playwright, and he was...

...just talking about representation of disabled people in the media. They're not there, but when they are, say you've got something in a in a TV show, they tend to have non disabled actors playing the part of a disabled person and how unfair that is because there are a lot of talented disabled actors out there. So it's kind of like talking about issues like that. And you know, I've also had female musicians on just talking about their experiences in a as a woman in a male dominated industry. So, yeah, I kind of use that term broadly, or whatever it might mean to you. Or maybe it doesn't feel like a label that you know fit to virgin but kill you. Well, I have become a few things, but I guess I think one thing actually going sober. At first I felt quite marginalized because I felt like my whole identity of who I was and the circles that I hung in and the things I did and like, you know, I was out going Jessica like when, you know, when she's drunk or whatever, and suddenly it was kind of like who am I and like feel like I could be connected to some of the people I used to be connected to. Yeah, and yeah, also, I wouldn't want to go out to certain places, you know, because, yeah, obviously it would be a yeah, just like a temptation or or I just wouldn't feel feel connected to those people in the same way. Yeah, I think that that's definitely made an impact, but it's definitely helped me to build my confidence. HMM. And except being marginalized exactly in the person, the outskirts, and actually enjoy all of the benefits of that, you know, yeah, also that. The other thing that does come to mind is my mom is so my mum is mixed race and she comes from my Nan comes from an island called Sat Elena, which is one of the smallest islands in the planet and between South America and South Africa, right, and there's four thousand people, there's a little tiny volcano and yeah, there's I mean over this past year there's been so much with race and, you know, all of that stuff. And my brother's dad has gone a and my mum's mixed race. My Dad Scottish. So we're very like mixed heritage family. My oldest brother's dad's reports muth and yeah, we're all different shades. Yeah, and yeah, I guess there's been times where I felt very like in the middle, like a look white to most people. Some people say like Oh, you've got something in you, but you know, they's kind of yeah, not feeling, like feeling a bit like it's very much part of who I am and you know, but never really knowing how I can be in those situations. You know, like yeah, but anyway. Another thing, though, that's just made me be like, you know, what it is, what it is I am, who I am and people can it, can take what they want. You know, everyone's got the right to their own view and opinions. So yeah, no, definitely, definitely, and yeah, I can certainly relate to what you've just said about I mean I'm in my forties now, but certainly in my my early s to mid S, I just come out as as gay and sending a lot of time on the scene with a specific type of group that we're used to interacting and behave in in a certain way, and you fall into patterns of being and habits of being. Any like you you let's go on a mad bender. Everyone kind of expects a certain that this is what we do. We go out, we go club, boom, we take an ecstasy tablet or whatever, you know, and just have a mad time roll up, but you know ten o'clock the next morning and and that that's a night out. And when you step away from that, you know, I wouldn't have considered myself as having any addiction issues, but just that whole thing of not knowing when to you know when to say stop and just take it a step back from that and you know almost kind of going yeah, that was me and my younger years and I'm going to focus on my career and family and you know and what have you. You almost say...

...they have to sort of draw a line, just stop going too those places, like you say, to take temptation out of the way, or just kind of own it and go yeah, I can still be that mad person. I don't need to be, you know, drinking ten aftershocks and whatever to to be to get there. You know, it's a funny a funny one to balance, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. It's something I've actually managed to crack now. So I'm yet sometimes I'll get in recently act like five am. Yeah, but yeah, and I have like a sober hangover, but it's it's been like when I used to drink, you know, like yeah, hangover back then. I know, what did I do last night? When I say now, I'm just like tired, you know. But but I found my my flow with it now, so I'm enjoying it again. Yeah, I just Fuckaby Shady. Let's letter called your phone. Of course you did not think it's gonna be sleep place and met Baby Dada. Be So cool. Baby You dad cook me. So these a looking for your single cruel and so it discusses what you'd consider like a your most toxic relationship that was almost like controlled by the addiction and also linked to you sort of identifying as bisexual and that that being intertwined but, you know, ultimately kind of being a bad thing. How does that whole experience like that coming out as by and realizing that then also realizing actually, this is really bad for me and you know, my health. How did that impact on your general mental health in dealing with things like sexuality and sort of you as a person and self identity and all that in this rule? But it's all right, because I'm will you, but Starfi Song. Then hear the waves questioning on the shop. There is no right world, empty mags and the roses. There's things get messy every Friday, every Saturday and Sunday. Do we call it love or for the meantime? Maybe it's a little unconventional, mainly driven by sexual recreational means. See, let's face it, we ain't talking marriage and kids now. No vows commitment don't fit this. But your body fits mine, though, and a feeling that I'm leaning on this high. So right, let's write. Don't worry about the mess of the lives tonight. Why? I never saw being well, wait, hold on. So that relationship actually gave me the opportunity to come out. So it was a positive thing. Okay, there's before then I was I knew that I was attracted to women, but I hadn't gone there and I had already told one. So when my ex came around and she was very much gay and yeah, obviously a gay, you know, it gave me the opportunity to. Then I came out with it, but I was very shy at first about it. I felt very like judged, you know, even though no really has anything negative. I was I was quite embarrassed. You know, it's nothing, obviously to be embarrassed about, but as a young person, you know, can be hard to come out with that. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, the wait, hold on.

How well was the question again, I guess. Yeah, I just wondering, you know, like I guess, a relationship that had a really massive positive like just you kind of realizing your true identity, but then also having the negative association of it was this sort of toxic thing that that led down a path of addiction. You know, those two almost like a juxtaposition of two conflicting things. How did that impact on your just gentle mental health? And yes, it's a complete head fuck off. Yeah, when in that relationship there were obviously some good times, but yeah, I mean we we will on drugs and drinking a lot and yeah, I don't know. I mean now, when I look back, I realize how much I got from that relationship. HMM, because going into that dark place and maybe having a relationship work with like that so early on just taught me a lot and straightaway like suddenly change my life round after that relationship. It took me a few more relationships, but it did. It was, I feel like it's such that's why I kind of the first spoken my song that I had fueled from that relationship, was kind of like the start of this story, like the album story, because I guess it is about relationships, and that was when I really started taking drugs and stuff. So it was all very much and twine. Yeah, but yeah, I didn't know. I think. I think all I can say now is that that, yeah, I learned a hell of a lot and I like that. I can, you know, empathize with people as well if they're, you know, in them kind of situations and stuff. I can I can understand that. And yet it's brought me to now, I guess, getting quite deep into like spirituality and sober and I'm very much about my health and, yeah, I can share that journey with other people. You know, which I think is the is the best thing. Yeah, I jumped on the bus to tell her. ICKHEAD BANGA DOOR, look through the little box. You weren't even there. Told me last weekend she was at home sleeping. fucking lamb hot raged with fire. I was sick of the sequel. So there was more than my eager call me crazy, but don't dare call me baby. Someone answered our phone. She said she was alone, that she let it ring out. I'm at the sound of the tongue. I cried rivers that night try to justify her lies. Fuck nose. Why I'm they're wiping black mascore from my bloodshot eyes. I was thinking, how can you love somebody, how when you can't even love yourself? How can you love somebody when you can't even love yourself? The flat look like a squat, but she never saw it. I let so much slide. Hated myself so thinking about the journey of the album and how that kind of, like you said, almost tracks the various relationships that then got you on the path to your sobriety, and particularly thinking of the Song Fuck You, I'm sober now, which you know is like a really good sort of middle finger to an X. that's the kind of, yeah, perfect middle finger to an x song. You know. I mean, you've kind of brushed upon it, but what was it? What point did you get to that the switch flipped and you went, you know what? I don't want to be waking up at eleven o'clock wondering what I did and having this doom looming over me that something's terrible's happened while I've been in this state. You know which point did did you kind of flip the switch and go that's it. Now turn in my life around. Maybe you might not like it, but I'm wearing it like a crowd. It's been three weeks on the wagon, five if you don't count that relapse, and Berlin couldn't help it. Birthdays go well with Jin reckless weekends keep descending into nightmare, with no wending. Not Anymore. I'm off the door. No more cocktails and weed, I'm on the mocktails and tea, but I can't help hands from shaking. Maybe it's a spiritual waiting rising labukine, flying with my feelings, Babe, you know wrong. I think this is just what I was needing, sober now turn in my life around. Maybe I'm wearing it was definitely a process, like it didn't suddenly kind of, but I knew I wanted to go sober foot for a few years and I kept it was then I started changing out my health and stuff. I got really bad,...

...severe ex Amo as well and I damaged my vocal cords, so that definitely helped. And Yeah, but then there was a few times I kind of went so for a few months and then I relapsed and I'd go on like a crazy three day bender and then I'd be sobering and for ages. But then, yeah, I don't know. Some there was a switch right right towards the end and I actually met this guy who I had this fling with and he he was sober and had told me that he'd been going to Aa and when I met him I was still I was drinking quite a lot while I was with him on or something like. I'm good. What am I doing that? I'm not. Anyway. It just brought to light a lot of things for me and then I had one last blowout in Berlin for my birthday, which had already been planned. I like really wanted to go sober, but it'd already been in books and everything, so I thought, you know what, I'm just going to go and allow myself get completely bliterate. It's and yeah, it was. It was so bad that, yeah, I haven't drank since. That was like a year and a half ago. In a part of me was like maybe I can use Bilin sober and then I just completely went other way. But yeah, in a way it was good because, yeah, like I was really sick after that trip. So I think that felt feel like it was like a sign, you know, like yeah, and definitely yeah. So do you think your experiences with with addiction and with substance abuse, or just your experiences in life, have defined you as a musician? And I'm a thinking like sonically, the sort of choices you make in terms of style, or I guess the way to word it better is, would your sound still sound like you if your life would been sort of all sunshines and lollipops. I don't know. I mean I don't think anyone's life is also on Jones. Yeah, I mean, I guess the style of my tracks are kind of like, if I think of more like hip poppy artists, even, like people like like Miss Dynamite or Lauren Hill, all these people, they're they're their music is a bit more raw, like it's not as not raw. Sorry. Why is it bit more raw? It's quit your honest in the lyrics. Yeah, and the music has quite a like live element to it as well, but it's got like that really kind of yeah, hip poppy soul fulfill so I guess maybe those kind of artists have influenced me, and I maybe because it is more of a kind of raw storytelling sounds some of the naturally I've gone to those kind of sounds. Yeah, fifteen and wild and reckless child, we'd run the streets through the night, kiss beneath the moonlight, get drunk in the park, high on love and other stuff. Dragon started sovereign kings. I gave you up in all those things. I watched you fuck with other girls and shamelessly. Tonight, you clouded my world of your barefacelight. I caught myself just to see if you noticed that. It Bleeds and Oh the needs to shame, so help us to say it. Feed me baby, feel me a love again. I May as well get another fix, another fuck, another empty night of empty love. And that's what I think he's like. You know that some of what I would consider the great musicians, the great storytellers through music, you know, would be people like the Beatles, Bob Dylan, m morrison, you know, people that have all indulged in substances, some of which, you know, they claim to have done to sort of feel and enhance their creativity, some of which created kind of weird and wonderful music as a result of the sort of experimentation with, you know, mindalter in drugs and LSD and whatnot. I guess in your case, certainly with the work you've been doing on this album, it seems like the sobriety has been the main muse of certainly for some of the tracks. Did you think like the music became the outlet for for the demons, or was it sort of the with the demons like the drive in force for your music, you know? And Yeah, definitely, I think my music's always been a sort of outlet. So it's been like a therapy, you know. HMM. And Yeah, I think it's a balance because it is a...

...surpriety that inspired by music, but then it's also the other side of it. Then spun it wouldn't have the surprity about the other side. So, yeah, it's the ING in the Yang. But yeah, I mean a hundred percent. Like when I wrote, you know, some a lot of the spoken word pieces that I wrote, it was like me, like sitting on the tube and like, you know, feel them really pissed and like writing in that it like I'm gonna write, I spoke a word about you and just like that wouldn't be able to tell, you know, express how I was feeling to people in face to face, you know. So I would just like righte about it, and that was my way, yeah, releasing you know. Let me talk bother this boy. He got me. I come some food. Oh, it's so studios turns me. Oh, but I can be, I can't be. How I caught you are still, I thought in you while hugging you. Have just hit them love to you, just coming home to we are just a bit gone. And I mean you've collaborated with some some great songwriters and producers. Jane ebler curious who stons Ti, he'Llbert, and list goes on. Yeah, I was wondering, you know, as a female artist and as someone who's sort of a an advocate for like empowerment, the empowerment of women, how did you or how do you ensure that your creative voice is heard? And you know, I mean maybe this sound sex is of me to say, but it tends to be a male dominated industry. My experience of work and producers is they have exclusively all be men. I've yet to find a sort of female producer to collaborate with and and there's often, you know, several of you in the room. So I'm wondering, how do you, how do you kind of put those boundaries down and go this, this is my art, this is my creative decision, I want to be a part of this process. And how do you get your voice both heard, you know, with the musical decisions, I mean obviously the lyrics are your lyrics, but in terms of like directing the the sound and the whole production. Yeah, yeah, I have been in positions before where I really didn't feel like I had a lot of creative control on that side of things at all. But that didn't suit me well. So what I mean? One thing I actually have did do as I taught myself to produce. So often I will get down the initial ideas on logic, all right, and also the new project I'm actually working on with a guy called my request. He's really amazing producer. A lot of the stuff I'll bring in initial ideas and it already had the song mapped out and then he'll adds like his juice to it and yeah, take take it to another level. So I found yeah, that's a really good way and also, I think it helps as well of like needing to what's the work translate like what you have in your heads, you know, if you know a bit more about production. So, yeah, that's that's something that I've done actually, which is helped a lot with that. Yeah, was that sort of a is that being a learning curve, curve over the years, or was that like a lockdown project? I know I sort of mastered logic doing the lockdown when there wasn't much else to do. Or would you say you were on that journey sort of pre plandemic? Yeah, and I've been. Yeah, produced for a few of few years year. And do you well produce for other artists? No, no, no, I don't know. I don't really put out there that I produce, you know. But but actually I will with this next project. Yeah, yeah, I will. Yeah, I mean you've said earlier that you when you first sort of started like jotting down ideas in your notebook. You didn't ended it for it to be like a spoken word project or a poem that kind of thing. I wondered what your views are on spoken word and why you didn't...

...go down that route. I mean, I know it's sort of a little bit Nie and you know, not everyone's listening to spoken word stuff on, you know, spotify or whatever. Is there a reason you kind of went actually, know, I'm going to I'm going to turn it into into something musical and not go down that sort of poetry road. Yeah, I actually didn't intend it to be a spoken one project. Oh, sorry, yeah, no, I wrote, I wrote lyrics such a kind of like spoken word like. All Right, actually wanted to turn them into a song, but when I read them own it was hard to turn them into a song because it was such a story and there was so many words and it was like it was meant. It was just meant to be a spoken o Con yes, but Ye's yeah, I am. I never saw myself as a spoken word artist. Okay, yeah, this projects just I guess it's just the yeah, my style kind of goes in between a sort of more spoken sound and a rap sound. Yeah, and that was just something as it came through then I wanted to incorporate it throughout the project. But yeah, as I say, I used to wrap, you know, and do kind of this spoken style when I was younger. So, yeah, it's just come back around. But yeah, so actually it was the other way around. I was trying to make my spoken piece into a song, so any more like commercial whatever. But didn't work. So, yeah, I gave you all of my power, but now I see all the voice that are cowards. I'm taking it back no longer to full baby. You're cruel. Did it actually? I mean, like listening to it, it really works because, you know, I might, as a listener of music, be put off by rap personally, but the fact that it wasn't that, you know, like I liked the kind of casual spoken nature of it. It made it more accessible, like for me yeah, I think I just didn't want to really like to label it, so I kind of do just call it like sort of spoken words rap. Yeah, someone blows are different. Some of them I'm all on the beat and rhythmic, which is more rap style, I guess. Yeah, my like's just free spoken but also I want that. When I listened to spoke, it's funny actually, because I have been getting invited to a lot more spoken word events now to become yes, I can see how it's naturally becoming part of my thing, which I'm don't mind at all, but some the way spoken word art is do I feel like when they're solely focus on spoke, where it's quiet, it's got this kind of rhythm to it and like they pronounce words in the same did it they're but yeah, I don't see myself like that. I just speak. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's the name on Lily Allen? You know some of the stuff that she used to do earlier on, which is kind of Vergi, you know, and spoken word slap. Yeah, I like that style. Yeah, I'm dating myself now with that reference. Just continue with the theme of Empowerment and female empowerment. I was really enjoying listening to your Song Bozzy, which you know, continues with that theme, and it's an important I think within like the music industry, is really important thing to discuss because, you know, so many women feel pressured, and not just young women entering the industry. You know women of all ages feel well, whether it be pressured or just like there's an obligation there. If they're making a certain brand of music, certain genre, that sort of sex cells and almost subject actifying themselves and owning it, that's okay then to sort of use that, that sexuality to sell the music. And Yeah, it's kind of exploiting their own bodies and I always like respected the fact that Madonna used to say it's not exploitation when I do it and I'm owning it, and I've got a lot of respect for that, that kind of thing. But yet it does send a message out to particularly younger artists that who might not realize that they are owning it and people like Madonna are doing it with a purpose. That and that's the expectation and almost the music becomes secondary. And I just well longwinded question, but I suppose what advice would you give to those particularly younger women entering the music scene and thinking or feeling that there's a pressure there to objectify and, sort of, yeah, make themselves sexual, O object in order to progress. I guess I wanted not too...

...more than you're affection, love and detention, to own to your dimension, a fantasy, run away with, leaving my hands and these clouds, these trees, but awaken up, no sleep. When we were alone, it was like I was yours, but turns out it was only behind closed doors you showed your truth, true colors, the proof. Yeah, you ruled me in, only to caught me lose. If you is my body, somebody who wants you see you bought me, won't play. I'm sorry, you don't do good. Your eyes don't meet my when we're outside. You bring some bad vibeses, so can guess what you're thinking, but you hold my stare when the bodies are bare, making on top of me in that moment. No, in between, you don't listen, full of busy singing your song. Don't you get tired of your own? I think you've got to follow the feeling that it gives you. I think if your ass to do something and it really, really makes you feel uncomfortable and people, yeah, and people around you are still trying to make you do it, and it's to do with like taking certain clothes off and stuff like that. Like I think, yeah, it's really about getting really, really in touch of like who you are and what your values are and what you want to portray and why you're doing music. You know, I don't know, it's people have people have different things. You know, some girls just want to be famous, but that's all really a plusion. But you know, then they might be well up for doing that. Other yeah, it's like kind of forced on them as part of what they're doing to potentially sell more. But yeah, I think really and truly, I don't know, you just gotta go with like if something feels uncomfortable. Sometimes it can take a while to build up that willpower, but you have to, you know, set your boundaries and and say no, which I think is getting better and better. You know, and then again, if you if you know you're cardy B I mean, I don't know. She seems to be pretty comfortable with herself. Not Saying that she's the best, the best inspiration. I probably wouldn't all O that hat, but you know, she's she's doing her thing and she seems to want to do that. And, yeah, everyone has a right to do what they want to do. But yeah, you never say Facilita, always pulled down the good, the will good. You want to protect how you feel. But I need truth, something real. I don't need to smoke. Means what your ad cold just please give me something to put my whole come out. Don't lose it. Gives me that movement. That's what we choose. You Show Up, if we let you hold your wonder what crashed up, hold you down. Yeah, definitely, and I think you know I was like that Megan trainer Song, all about the base where she's there. You know, she's a I mean I would she's hardly plus size, but I suppose in the world of in the world of music, and she was on the larger size and I just love the fact that she's there scantily clad, saying, you know, big booties are great and owning it. And I kind of what would you I mean as someone that you know is a rolemos or yourself as as a female artist? What kind of message do you want to be putting out that you maybe hope that the younger artist, a female artist, might be taken on board. Is there a mission statement there? I think yeah, just really like doing what feels good to you, and that might take doing a few things that don't feel good to learn what feels good. But up, yeah, and I think...

...just, yeah, like really thinking about, before anyone else comes in and puts their whole thing on, what they think you should be doing, like really getting clear on like, even if it's like before I did this project, I did that this brainstorm on like you know, how I was just different elements that I wanted to betray through this, and it did include like a you know, really want to be authentic. Now, I've been in positions before where I where, I say, men did completely take creative control and I hated it. So when I came to this project, I was like right, I want to mix in my you know, I'm going to talk raw authenticity. Then there's also like the south London street there mixed of that my spirituality, like sor it like an urban which kind of vibe all of this stuff, and then I put that into my branding and I put that. Yeah, and then it also like thinking about the styles of music I wanted to do. I think just the more clear, clear you can be on like what you want to bring through, the more that people can't really completely come in and like destroy that, I guess. Yeah, so, like saying it, staying or centic. I think do what makes you feel really good and alive, you know. And Yeah, I don't know that's good advice, but yeah, that's on. What about? I mean, who did you so look up to, you know, as a as a young person getting into into writing and that sort of thing, be it a female role model or maybe a male role model, or musical or, like you said, your Mum's are jazz singer, I mean with they're a specific sort of person that that really like impacted you and sort of help guide you into the path you've taken. The musically, you're lis passed out or maskills, thunder talk show. Worst sadly, you take some bit stupid store rooms. These boards of my room. Are you afraid pressed? Yeah, I've definitely. My mom actually was a big influence because she's like a massive performer, like when she performs on stage she's wild, like she growls and she like you know, she she'll do like ne this some own feeling good but it will just be she energy is just massive, like it was take over the whole room and she'd always be really on to me about my performance and that looking people in the eyes and like really, you know, owning your stage performance and also, yeah, I guess, like being authentic and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, she was definitely a big influence. And then other people when I was young, you know, even like beyonce, I remember I loved me because she was a big performer as well, Tina Tanahm, and then people like amy winehouse I really connected with. There was so many artist, Lauren Hill as well. HMM, yeah, there's a lot of artist, but yeah, those, those are some of them. And Yeah, I guess I mean thank you for coming on and taking the time to chat to me. And is there anything? I know the albums said it is out February. Now, is there? Is there anything you want to plague? Or maybe there's you know, like someone who hasn't listened to anything. Where should they start? What would you say is a good introduction into Jessica Wild? A good introduction? Well, I think probably instagram is a good one and then, yes, spotify, Youtube, all of those usual places. I guess. And Yeah, I have another single coming out from the album next Friday, the eight of October, called down to Earth. And Yeah, I think just those kind of places are...

...the good ones to start with. And as I am Jessica Wild, with an e for everything billion, it's okay. Well, I will put your links to your social media in the show note. Okay, thanks, Jessica. All right, thank you so much for having me. Thank you. See Them. Bye Bye. This total who don't look so pretty good the day also look you don't feel quite as good as less this way. Well, well, nothing with Allah as early poor. I need to took off the edge, I need to get out of spird. I need to give you up, bloody smither fucking Marbret, but I just like how you kissed. Just one more tears from those lips. Then I'll get out of this, of this. Then I might sort I my shit. It's Ot join me next time when I discuss I plus matter, a heritage lottery funded project developed by Forgetmen, not productions, in partnership with t Green Special School. So when I go first, first became commercially available, it was really mostly suited for four people who are already at level of using a AC and perhaps are using a see with switches. Switch is being very effective, but slow, slow and laborious. To see how the challenge is. We need more like consistency, possibly, and we need more, more technology. Things that coming for for the children to have them focus high yet are when I started making music with forgetting the not productions and changed my life. Music transformed me. I feel like I'm finally using my brain properly.

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